NSFW Pod 015 - Fervid Faye

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[00:00:00] Matthew Holliday: Good day, everyone. And welcome back to the safe for work photography podcast. Today we're interviewing Fervid Faye they is a traveling art model and cause player she's been doing this since 2019. While her main genres are artsy, erotica, cosplay, and character builds. She enjoys a wide array of genres. 

She currently resides in Fairfax, Virginia. How's it going Fe? 

I am great. Actually, I'm leaving tomorrow to go on a short vacation, so I'm super good. I agree today, we're going to be doing something a little different. We've been cranking out interviews twice a month since November. And I think we should mix things up a bit. So we're going to spend the first 10 minutes or so with an abbreviated interview, then we're going to discuss some classic adult photography, shoot tropes, and brainstorm some ideas to try and make them a little more fresh and exciting. 

But first Fe how's this last year been for you in terms of. 

[00:01:16] Fervid Faye: Um, So with the pandemic. I actually, okay. So a little background is I am super allergic to coffee, which makes it really hard for me to travel. So with coping happening, um, all the coffee places got shut down. So there was no coffee and gas stations. There was no coffee and like trains or planes or hotel lobby. 

So I have probably one of. 

the best modeling years I've had so far, because I could go eating there.  

[00:01:51] Matthew Holliday: That's so weird. 

[00:01:54] Fervid Faye: I know it's, it's a terrible, terrible allergy and it's, it's really, really rare, but it's like epi pen allergic to coffee.  

[00:02:05] Matthew Holliday: So you can't even be in the same, so you can't even be in the same room. Oh,  

[00:02:10] Fervid Faye: No. Yes.  

[00:02:12] Matthew Holliday: gotcha.  

[00:02:13] Fervid Faye: It makes my life really complicated, which is why I found modeling as an outlet. It's a really good outlet, but also that's why I don't go to cons is because of my coffee allergy. I just don't want to spend $300 on tickets to have to turn around and go to the  

[00:02:31] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Especially when that's something that so many people love. 

[00:02:36] Fervid Faye: And it's everywhere.  

[00:02:38] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. You can get it in chocolate. Now you get restaurants have started doing like coffee rubbed me. 

[00:02:45] Fervid Faye: Oh, yeah, I can't eat at any barbecue places. No famous. Dave's no red, hot blue, no mission. Barbecue.  

[00:02:52] Matthew Holliday: The only one of those you're missing out on this mission. Barbecue. 

Alright. So I think you had said that you had a spine fracture. What happened. 

[00:03:02] Fervid Faye: I did I, um, as hoping family moved and we were going upstairs and somebody dropped the box spring and it crushed me. So then I fractured my L four and my L three.  

[00:03:18] Matthew Holliday: Oh, 

[00:03:19] Fervid Faye: It was really painful. So I have not been modeling for almost six months now.  

[00:03:26] Matthew Holliday: but you're coming back next month, right? 

[00:03:28] Fervid Faye: Yes, I am. I, I should be getting the okay. On the 26th. So I'm super excited about That Um, and I'm back to doing PT. I can do full weight now, so that's exciting. I'll get 

[00:03:42] Matthew Holliday: That is exciting. All right. So what got you started modeling. 

[00:03:48] Fervid Faye: I really just wanted to be a suicide girl and. Uh, for the longest time, I didn't have any self-confidence or any gumption to do it, but, um, one day I was just like, you know what? I'm getting all old. I better do it now, or I never will. So then I got on model mayhem and I just set up some photo shoots with people.  

[00:04:14] Matthew Holliday: You're not wrong. I, uh, it's funny. I actually decided to start doing adult model. Because I was getting old and I was like, you know, I hit that point where it was like, oh man, I don't want to die without having done these things that, you know, I've thought about doing for years. 

[00:04:37] Fervid Faye: Yeah. that's so true. You should just do the things we want to do before. 

[00:04:46] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. It's depressing, but true. 

[00:04:50] Fervid Faye: It's depressing thing. true. 

[00:04:52] Matthew Holliday: So have you had any really great experiences you'd like to share during modeling 

[00:04:59] Fervid Faye: great experiences. The best experiences have to be creating characters and seeing them come to life and having those photos end up being some of your all-time favorites. And then the other one. Best part is the lifelong relationships that I think that I've made with certain people in the industry now, because I would have never met these people. 

Had I not done modeling and people like emo hippie chick and, um, Jason, he is one of my favorite photographers. They're just great people, good people to know good people to be around. Good people to create with That's that's the best. 

[00:05:49] Matthew Holliday: That's something that I haven't run into yet. I, well, that's not true. I had one model that I worked with really consistently for about two years, but yeah, there's those a really, it was a really super creative and really it's really a great correlation. day, one day. I'll have it again. 

[00:06:10] Fervid Faye: You bill.  

[00:06:12] Matthew Holliday: So you mentioned that you wanted to be a suicide girl. What was specifically about suicide? Girls was so interesting. 

[00:06:18] Fervid Faye: So initially when I had saw suicide girls, I have thought that what they did was alternative modeling. And I thought that that meant it was going to be more evocative than what I actually think suicide girls is currently. So I would decide, I would describe the site girls as alternative models doing boudoir. So like they have tattoos and colored hair and cool body mind. But they're just doing light and airy shoes, as opposed to, um, things more akin to style erotica or fat erotica magazine where it's the fetishes and the alternative modeling is actually woven to the, because. There's no real formula behind it. 

Not every girl's doing the same exact thing, which is what suicide girls does. They have a specific stylized format that You have to abide by, and that really turned me off. 

[00:07:40] Matthew Holliday: You know, I hadn't actually thought about that. I've seen, I've seen suicide girls. And it was super interesting to me, but I always assumed that there was kind of more behind the paywall, but it sounds like it's not really it's, it's like Playboy, but with tattoos and piercings. 

[00:07:58] Fervid Faye: That's exactly what I would say. It is. It's for the girls who can't necessarily be in Playboy or Maxim or hustler because they have to do some body modifications.  

[00:08:09] Matthew Holliday: Gotcha. Well, there's value in that and giving them a kind of a marketplace and a show place. 

[00:08:14] Fervid Faye: Oh, definitely. Like I'm not knocking them. It's just not what I thought it was. And that was a let down to me. So then I realized That's not what I wanted to do.  

[00:08:24] Matthew Holliday: which is that good in your model, mayhem, which specifically calls out that you really want to do more fetish modeling. So what is it specifically about fetish modeling that you love? 

[00:08:38] Fervid Faye: Uh, it's amazing. So fetish modeling allows you to be your purest self without anybody in the room. I will preface that will say anybody in the room judging you. Benish modeling allows people to be evocative and also. Other people because I've done a wax shoot. It baffled me that so many people didn't realize that there are specific candles that you're supposed to use when you're doing wax play.  

[00:09:16] Matthew Holliday: yeah, it burns. It's a low at a temperature, right. Melts at a lower temperature. 

[00:09:19] Fervid Faye: Yes. Yes. So now It's faster and it's not as hot on the screen. That it was crazy to me that so many people didn't know that. And that is really what I love is I'm taking something and I'm helping bring it more into the public's eye and it allows people to feel less kinked, shamed. Um, I think fetish modeling is a great way to publicly. 

Make a statement that you're not weird because you have fetishes. It doesn't make you a bad person or says nothing negative about you because you have fetish XYZ. So that's my main thing.  

[00:10:09] Matthew Holliday: interesting. Mentioned that I think you're the second or third model I've talked with, who both had self-esteem issues and decided to turn to modeling as like a way to force yourself to get out there. And same thing with the fetish thing. Like this is a place to explore and find new things that they had no idea existed and really kind of dive into it. 

And the non-judgment. 

[00:10:38] Fervid Faye: Yeah. And it's great when you get to work with people. Um, there's a, a rigor that I met because of this and he is super sick. He is held in high regard. Everybody loves him and he doesn't just like, he doesn't just tell you up. And then that's it. You know, he ties him up and he tells you what he's doing. He tells you, he makes sure that you feel safe. He, you bring safety to the forefront of the fetish or of the kink that you're working with. So. Uh, yeah, like this that's really cool. I don't, I don't think I would have ever met any of these people. Had I not been involved in fetish modeling?  

[00:11:30] Matthew Holliday: Yep. And as I mentioned, safety is hugely important for sure. 

[00:11:34] Fervid Faye: Oh Yeah, 

And that's like the one thing I would absolutely want to say to anybody, the best advice is to, if you are doing fetish modeling, it is imperative that you get. Like first hand references. I know with modeling, you're supposed to too, but a lot of us see that our friends are shot with somebody and it's like, really? 

Okay. So no big deal. I don't need to ask for references because so-and-so shot with this person, but for Spanish modeling, you really need to make sure that whoever you're working with is not going to push your heart. is not what they're there for. Like, this is professional. It's not playtime. 

[00:12:24] Matthew Holliday: you mentioned limits specifically, you mentioned hard limits. Do you have, do differentiate between soft and hard limits when you're shooting or are they basically the same? 

[00:12:35] Fervid Faye: Um, no. So soft limits are something that if I feel I'm a nervous Nelly, So I get like super skiddish around new things. So soft limits tend to be things that I am interested in, but I don't know if I can trust the person that I'm with to do those things, any safe way, as opposed to like, just really messing up your life, but for a hard limit. And that's where you really have to like tread that line of modeling versus fetish modeling. If I know that I'm going to have more shoots that week, I can't have bruises on my body. So like, those are hard limits. And if you cross those hard limits, I'll put you on blast because that is a safety issue. 

That's fucked up. You don't do.  

[00:13:34] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. So it sounds like the soft limits are hard limits when you're working with somebody that you're new to. 

[00:13:42] Fervid Faye: Well, like, um, uh, a soft limit for me would be going into a shoot with somebody who's new that I've never worked with. This is the first time we're meeting and we're doing a rope shoe, right? So typically a rope shoe involves things that aren't necessarily super. Immobilizing. Right. So maybe it's like a, a rope harnessed trust thing, or like a mermaid tail. And you could get out of it if you need it to kind of thing. And that's usually my first shoot with somebody. And then if I feel comfortable enough, I'll go back for a second tune and have them hog time. And shoot that and I'll be okay with that because that's the second time. But a honk side would be a soft limit for me, because if I felt comfortable enough with the rigor and he seemed, or she seemed like they were completely respectful, then that would be a soft limit. 

And then I could have that conversation with them at that time to. 

be like, oh Yeah. 

go ahead. Do it. I feel fine. I feel comfortable.  

[00:14:55] Matthew Holliday: that makes sense. Yeah. I definitely definitely can see shoots where you're immobilized, you know, like leather. Uh, restraints. Yeah. Mama. Oh yeah. Yep. Definitely needs to take a little more care with those, for sure.  

[00:15:12] Fervid Faye: a little  

[00:15:12] Matthew Holliday: So do you have specific fetishes? 

[00:15:16] Fervid Faye: Yes. that's a big thing for me. I also try to. Not do anything I wouldn't do in real life because I don't want to muddy the waters. So I'm not into impact play. So I probably would never do an impact shoot, but I love her. I love wax. I love dress up. I love my lawn, stockings, leather, all of those things, all types of bondage. 

She's great. Um, but like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily peg someone for a shoot because I've tried it and it just doesn't tickle my fancy. So I wouldn't want to perpetuate the idea that I do these things behind closed doors. If I don't actually do them, feels dishonest. 

[00:16:05] Matthew Holliday: that's a really interesting viewpoint on that. I mean, I feel like a lot of models if you pay them enough, uh, maybe I should rephrase that. I don't wanna make it sound like, but I mean, for a lot of models, it's a shoe it's not supposed to represent their real life, especially to represent some photographers, you know, idea or fantasy. 

[00:16:27] Fervid Faye: And I think that that's fine when it comes to things that don't require, um, any physicality rate. So like I do a lot of character builds. I'm not actually a diamond or water Nim or any of those things, but, um, those are all okay. But I think when you tie in fetish and kink there's because I don't do it in my real personal life. 

There's more of an opportunity for me to get hurt or for me to get triggered in, send me into a spiral of some sort.  

[00:17:03] Matthew Holliday: Gotcha. So it sounds like you're really closely kind of personally tying these into your identity. 

[00:17:09] Fervid Faye: I mean, for the most part. When it comes to my social, what you see is who I am. And that's why I always usually refer to myself as an artist, more so than a model because I'm showing you me. It's not necessarily an act. What I'm doing. This is who I am.  

[00:17:30] Matthew Holliday: that makes sense. All right. How would you recommend that photographers, especially new photographers, reach out to fetish models with a shoot suggestion. I speaking as a fairly amateur photographer myself. I know that definitely when I'm considering an idea, that's even beyond my. I mean, you know, like when you're reaching out for the first time for a nude shoe near super nervous and then any 4g chat for the first time for a fetish shoot and you're super nervous, is there a way that photographers can reach out to kind of minimize that embarrassment and that shame or that concern about being declined? 

Cause that's really, it. 

[00:18:16] Fervid Faye: So one of the big things I would say. Have a conversation with the model beforehand of like, oh, I really like your stuff. And then send them the picture that you saw. You were like, I want to work with this model because they do those kinds of content. Um, usually when I have people reach out to me, um, They find me on FetLife when I work with fetish photographers, more often than model may hammer Instagram. 

And I think that's a great way to work, uh, to reach out to a model who is interested in doing that kind of content for the specific reason that we both know that we're on this website and this is what we're interested in, it. 

kind of softens the blow.  

[00:19:11] Matthew Holliday: I see you're on FetLife. Yeah. That's I have not been, I have a FetLife account. I have not been taking advantage of it at all because I'm kind of unsure what to do with it. Well, I mean, cause it started off as a personal account. So then I kind of, after I had an interview with somebody and she mentioned FetLife and I was like, oh, I could use that for photography, but I haven't really done anything with it. 

[00:19:38] Fervid Faye: You absolutely should. I would say that I'm, I am more likely to respond to a FetLife photographer than I am a photographer on Instagram one, because you can't see the work that they've done within the realm in which they want to do  

[00:19:53] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:19:54] Fervid Faye: on Instagram usually. And then two, because. I can easily look at the photos and see if I like their art style. 

And I can before even talking to the photographer, reach out to people that they've worked with and find out if they're safe.  

[00:20:16] Matthew Holliday: yeah, that makes sense. There are a couple of groups on FetLife for photography, but I've found they haven't been too, too useful. Have you found the groups useful or do you go look for people in the. 

[00:20:28] Fervid Faye: Mostly like for people individually. I I am, this was probably the, the main difference between me and real life and me on my social. I am very shy. It's a really, really hard for me to get into groups of people, 

[00:20:48] Matthew Holliday: I can understand that 

[00:20:48] Fervid Faye: especially for like this kind of content.  

[00:20:53] Matthew Holliday: I went to a munch one. One time. I was that just once I dunno, I don't, I'm not a big fan of groups. I can be very friendly one-on-one or one-on-two, but I, in a group, I just get super quiet and I kinda hang out and just listen to everybody else talking. 

[00:21:11] Fervid Faye: It's good to wallflower sometimes.  

[00:21:14] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Sometimes, but I do it all the time. All right. Done several shoots with other models. I recognized ALA moon and emo hippie check locally. What's it like working with another model? 

[00:21:28] Fervid Faye: So I would say. It has a lot more pros than cons when it comes to working with friends. So I'm actually friends with me, much hippie chick and ALA moon in real life. So like when we hang out, we'd get drinks together. We partied together. We're friends, she shoots with a lot of people up here. So honestly, every time she's up in this area, she usually crashes on.  

[00:22:00] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. So the only way you can make money traveling right. 

[00:22:05] Fervid Faye: I mean, yeah. 

It pays to know people all over the place in this business. Um, so they're super cool. They're fun to work with. You can talk to them and never have it get weird because you're uncomfortable or you don't feel like shooting XYZ. You can just have that gentle conversation with them. And it never is awkward because they respect everybody's feelings. Um, I have worked with some fellows as well and, um, and had interesting experiences in that regard too. Um, because what we did shoot was more of the intimate nature. Sometimes it gets very awkward. And especially if you're not friends with the male model, you're just shooting together because you're both models. 

It can get really weird.  

[00:23:08] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, take your kind of one night stand awkwardness and multiply it by a a hundred, because you've never met the person before, potentially. 

[00:23:20] Fervid Faye: So it's basically a blind date. With somebody taking photographs,  

[00:23:26] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

That's actually something I haven't found many of as many male models in this area. Are they all in hiding or is Instagram just suggesting women to me? And that's all. 

[00:23:41] Fervid Faye: it could be a bit of both. Um, so the thing about fetish modeling is, um, banish modeling complicates. Because a lot of the male models in this area when I do stuff like fashion and that's great. But typically if you do a Radica, if you take your clothes off, you get pigeonholed and that's all you're allowed to do, or that's all people want you to do. 

And with male models, because I think there's more money oriented than. Oriented. It's not worth it to them to do it.  

[00:24:26] Matthew Holliday: that's interesting. If anything, I would have assumed that the male models were more focused with trying to get with the female models. 

[00:24:35] Fervid Faye: So a lot of male models have girlfriends  

[00:24:38] Matthew Holliday: Makes sense. They're hot. 

[00:24:41] Fervid Faye: that's been a conversation to have to talking to them being like, oh, sorry, I can't my girlfriend online.  

[00:24:49] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. 

[00:24:49] Fervid Faye: And I mean, I get that cause that pendulum swings both ways. I know plenty of females who are like my boyfriend said, no,  

[00:24:56] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Also makes an interesting, well, not makes an easy way to the client, something you didn't want to do anymore. Is that too.  

[00:25:04] Fervid Faye: that's true.  

[00:25:05] Matthew Holliday: Alright. I just made the mistake of looking at the time and I went way longer on the questions and I expected to whew. That's all right. Well then, so one of the things that, so when you're shooting adult work, there are a couple of tropes repeated ideas that seem to come up over and over again. 

The hotel shoot. I get why it's done. It's probably the easiest studio. You'll find it might come with interesting prompts. You don't have to buy the bed is pre-made. There's a giant window right there and everybody looks good and window light, but it makes your photographs look like everyone. Else's shooting them as fine. 

It's fine. And it's boring. So I was hoping that we can have a back-and-forth discussions. See how we can spice. See if we can come up with some interesting things to do, to make them a little more visually distinct from other photographers. So I've collected a couple of tropes. Uh, this is an experiment. 

We'll see how it goes. We'll see how people respond to it. And then we'll either make it a regular part of the podcast or we'll move on and do something else. It's the nature of experimentation. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. So far, the first one, uh, the first one I had here was the classic hotel room shoot. 

Uh, they all the, the, the hotel room pictures you've seen, they're all typically very bright. They've got that big window. There's a lot of white sheets. Uh, there's typically a woman either sleeping or nude. I dunno. Have you seen any interesting hotel shoots? Have you participated in any interesting hotel? 

[00:26:52] Fervid Faye: so he did one of my honey shoots in a hotel, which I was grateful for because then there was going a hotel and I didn't have to clean it up. It wasn't a shower. So it just was sticky in there. Um, I totally get what you're saying when it comes to hotel sheets. I agree. Hotel shoots can get boring really quickly. If you don't have distinctive ideas.  

[00:27:23] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. So the first thing that comes to mind for me, Is adding kind of a hot wife or a cuckold fetish vibe because those tips, those types of things, activities do tend to happen in hotel rooms. So it's realistic. It is appropriate. Uh, now I'm not sure that the bright white vibe you get goes with it. That's more of a night shoot. 

You may have to mimic, you know, orange sodium lights or something coming in from the window. Uh, another part of that would be a big thing for the hot wife crew is the preparation phase. So like focus on shooting in the bathroom, like prepping for it. Getting ready for things, uh, bringing in male talent, uh, for shooting with the bed. 

Um, that's a big one too. You can stick a, here's a great, here's a great place to find a model who has a little older and a little chubbier. He can stick him in the corner and he gets to play the husband. 

I'm sorry to make you feel a little awkward. 

No, actually that made me think a prostitute shoe works with hotel room to again, kind of natural habitat thing. Although what would you, what would you do to make it visually identifiable as a prostitute? 

Um, no, I can say that like, like dressed in lingerie. Or something and then like a, an envelope counting of money or something like that on the edge of the bed. Yeah. That's a little different, that's a little different. Or you could use the hallway, like, like she's standing in the door, dressed like a prostitute, which I don't know if there's a uniform. 

It's probably like short skirts and I don't know. I've I don't think I've seen very many prostitutes in real life. I'm afraid. That's cause they probably dress like everybody else. 

[00:29:30] Fervid Faye: I mean, sometimes I would imagine. Yeah. 

would be in the room and open the door and she's outside of it.  

[00:29:45] Matthew Holliday: And then you got a little bit of exhibitionism, like a flare.  

[00:29:50] Fervid Faye: Yeah.  

[00:29:51] Matthew Holliday: I've definitely seen a couple of shoots and the hallways of hotels. I don't know. That's a little  

[00:29:55] Fervid Faye: Well, yeah. One of my friends, um, fuck Remington  

[00:30:01] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:30:03] Fervid Faye: Yeah. He shot with, uh, this girl, Christy Connor.  

[00:30:07] Matthew Holliday: I've interviewed both of them. 

[00:30:10] Fervid Faye: Oh, well then you maybe you've seen it. Um, he ties her up to like a luggage.  

[00:30:17] Matthew Holliday: A luggage cart. I haven't seen that one. Oh  

[00:30:21] Fervid Faye: Oh yeah. It's fantastic.  

[00:30:23] Matthew Holliday: I could see a whole bunch of cool, like, like a naked person treating it like a skateboard. Is there like the like posing as they roll past that make a whole areas GIF. All right, 

exactly. Yeah. Um, I don't know. And our telescope with spawn things too. There's usually a business center. They may have like a conference center attached. latest video was done in like a conference center. It's like super weird background.  

[00:31:00] Fervid Faye: I haven't seen it. I will look into it. 

[00:31:04] Matthew Holliday: I mean, they have a pool, although the pool is always risky, you know, it's when parents are bringing their kids down, don't need to see that. 

[00:31:11] Fervid Faye: Yeah. Yeah. I am. I am a big fan of like little claim stuff though. Cause I definitely don't want to go to places where I'm going to get caught and I'm going to be breaking the law.  

[00:31:27] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Some people is that, that I guessing that's one of those hard limits for you is public nudity, 

[00:31:32] Fervid Faye: Um, well, I'll do public nudity, but I won't do public nudity in like a subway or in the mall or  

[00:31:40] Matthew Holliday: crowded, crowded. 

[00:31:42] Fervid Faye: I'm not that much of an exhibitionist like that, that just, just thinking about it makes me all,  

[00:31:48] Matthew Holliday: Oh, sorry. 

[00:31:50] Fervid Faye: but like naked in the woods. That's fine.  

[00:31:54] Matthew Holliday: yeah,  

[00:31:55] Fervid Faye: That's  

[00:31:55] Matthew Holliday: last, last a couple of weeks ago, I interviewed Emma and she does naked hiking and she says she's never been caught. It's like nobody's ever stumbled upon. Um, 

[00:32:06] Fervid Faye: I, believe that she probably also doesn't stay on main trails, which. 

[00:32:10] Matthew Holliday: I, uh, I just like the Appalachian trail a lot and there was always, I never saw them in person, but they're always legends of like people that through hike naked, like just do the whole trail naked the whole way you got balls, big balls. All right. So back to the hotel. How about, so what other, so we've talked to, we're talking about activities that happen in a hotel room and there's travel, which is boring. 

Nobody cares about that. And then there's elicits sexy activities like cooking and prostitute. What other things happen in a hotel room? 

[00:32:48] Fervid Faye: I mean outside the realm of like just sexy,  

[00:32:51] Matthew Holliday: Oh, there's other things. I was just kidding. 

[00:32:54] Fervid Faye: Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, um, I personally would love to do a hotel shoe where like you're in a bathtub and you've got a whole bunch of empty bottles, just chilling in the bathtub with you have like Jack Daniels or captain Morgan. And like, you're just the wasted girl in the bathroom.  

[00:33:17] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, you're not wrong. Like, like a after party thing. Hm. Like you went to Vegas and just had yourself a. That'd be an interesting motif too, that still falls under sin. 

[00:33:32] Fervid Faye: Absolutely.  

[00:33:33] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, no, but you could do that all over the place. You could do that in the bed, like three or four empties piled on the bed next to you. That might be kind of cool. Um, leaning against the window. That'd be, Uh, I could see that being kind of cool too. Yeah. 

[00:33:52] Fervid Faye: I'd also love to see more photographers use colored gels in hotel rooms.  

[00:33:58] Matthew Holliday: Really 

[00:34:00] Fervid Faye: Yes, because it would help soften all that white and it would create a new dynamic and just, just adding color makes such a big difference.  

[00:34:14] Matthew Holliday: I'm writing down the drunk lady on hotel thing. If we get to work together later this summer, we're doing.  

[00:34:21] Fervid Faye: Oh, hell yes.  

[00:34:22] Matthew Holliday: because I'd love to share with you at some time. So we'll find out it's how we'll find out. I'll go buy a bunch of liquor bottles or something and we'll pour the, pour it out into something else that somebody can use it. 

I have a bunch of empties. 

[00:34:37] Fervid Faye: I've been saving quite a few because I had this idea.  

[00:34:41] Matthew Holliday: Nice, nice. Maybe like a party dress. So is this like a normal person drunk or is this like after like a fancy party? 

[00:34:49] Fervid Faye: Yeah. I would say this is like white girl wasted after a 3 0 3 show living her best cashier.  

[00:34:59] Matthew Holliday: All right. So you have the soundtrack for the shoot too. All right. Um, so there drugs involved, like, are there like other, like, like lines of Coke on the table or like a bottle or anything? Or is this just alcohol?  

[00:35:12] Fervid Faye: Yes. ' 

[00:35:13] Matthew Holliday: cause I'm kind of thinking like the perspective, so you can't see, but the bed is over here. 

So like there's a table here and it's got like a bottle and maybe a pill bottle and some pills that are kind of out of focus and like the focus is on her, but like it's framed through the drugs. Hmm. All right. That sounds cool. Let's do that. Uh, probably August timeframe. Okay. Um, so other things we could go straight into kind of ridiculousness, like bring like a blow up pool into the hotel room, 

[00:35:51] Fervid Faye: Yeah,  

[00:35:52] Matthew Holliday: uh, and then like put it right in front of the window and move all the furniture. And then at least like, you're still in front of the window. You're still getting the great window light, but now you're doing something ridiculous. I don't know. 

[00:36:05] Fervid Faye: I do like chaos, chaos photos.  

[00:36:09] Matthew Holliday: Uh, Hm. All right. Anything else we could do? I mean, you could do voyeurism stuff where you're trying to show somebody outside the window. Kind of the reverse. We talked before the podcast about people that use windows, they show, they usually show either the person and the way. Or they're outside the window and the person inside is showing off, but what if they were inside, but they were showing off and then we added somebody outside. 

That'd be a little different, not a lot different.  

[00:36:43] Fervid Faye: It was fun, though. It would also be a little tricky to figure out how you could manage that. Like, are you doing it in rooms across rooms, like friends style or are you doing it? Like he's down there looking up.  

[00:37:01] Matthew Holliday: I think that'd be harder to do if he was looking up. I'm not sure I'm like that as I was, when you were saying that I was mentally imagining somebody hovering at like the 12th floor and be like, where are we going to find a model that can fly 

that they charged so much can imagine what's Superman's hourly would be God. 

You're right, right then after this one has to be like a first floor or a second floor room, and then you get the problem of inadvertent models. You know, people that pass by, they take that picture. They're like, oh my God. 

[00:37:50] Fervid Faye: Oh, and I don't know if you watch porn, but there's this, um, there's this video with small yams and, um, one of his. And they're in a hotel room and it's like cops on a stakeout and our partners, but now there you've been in this hotel room and it's been so crammed for so long. They basically just fuck each other.  

[00:38:14] Matthew Holliday: How would you do that as a photograph though? That that may just work better as a video because you can capture kind of, you know, a minute or while, depending on what type of, what type of video it is, you can capture, you know, admitted or three or four of interaction beforehand to kind of build up why they're there. 

[00:38:30] Fervid Faye: You have, you have the badges, you throw them on the table. You have the guns, the harnesses.  

[00:38:38] Matthew Holliday: That's yeah. Yeah. Now you're right with a good costume and then setting the scene. So would it be? Hmm. So I say, I mean, this is the not safe for work photography podcast. I'm going to assume erotic here.  

[00:38:51] Fervid Faye: Yes,  

[00:38:51] Matthew Holliday: That'd be kind of  

[00:38:52] Fervid Faye: it would have been totally go that way.  

[00:38:54] Matthew Holliday: No, but I can see where you could. I mean, uh, I'm reusing the same thing I did before the same framing mechanism where you take the. 

Past a table with like a badge and like binoculars or something just like tied in and in the background, there's like people on the bed and maybe they're blurry. So like, it's just blurry bodies with like paraphernalia, like cop paraphernalia. But I just, I just use that that's that's overusing that. 

[00:39:23] Fervid Faye: Well, see here's my thing is I love, I love photos, especially with things like only fans give for people whose stories.  

[00:39:33] Matthew Holliday: Oh yeah. 

[00:39:33] Fervid Faye: So like you do all the shots, you have them walking in, you have them putting their guns on the table, their binoculars down, you have him Sterling her up against the wall or, you know, roll, reverse it and have her throw him up against the wall, tear, open his shirt, ruin the buttons, all that  

[00:39:54] Matthew Holliday: no, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, you could have them do that. You could have, 'em starting by the window and like bickering back and forth. I agree on the story thing. I can't stand porn where it's just two people having sex and there's no reason for them to do it. So 

[00:40:14] Fervid Faye: And both.  

[00:40:15] Matthew Holliday: I, you know, man, nah, sorry. I mean, but that's just, that's just normal. That's just boring. If I'm going into, if I'm going to porn, I don't want normal, so, Hmm, Hmm. Now I could see. Yeah, like having them like kind of bickering in front of the window and just getting on each other's nerves and just getting on each other's nerves. 

And then one of them just grabs the other and is like, shut the fuck up and then starts guessing them or something. Yeah. I'm sick of hearing your  

[00:40:49] Fervid Faye: you gotta make me  

[00:40:54] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. Yeah. I said work. 

[00:40:57] Fervid Faye: because I'm a brat. That's what we do.  

[00:41:02] Matthew Holliday: I imagine that as a characteristic requires a lot of communication with your partner because you're looking for them to basically ignore what you say.  

[00:41:13] Fervid Faye: Yeah.  

[00:41:14] Matthew Holliday: Like you're like, you're like, oh yeah, I'm not going to do that. But what you really want is you want them to do that, to make you do that. 

[00:41:22] Fervid Faye: Yup. Yup. It does require a lot of communication.  

[00:41:28] Matthew Holliday: fair enough. All right. So yeah, you know what, we didn't talk about video very much. All right. The video thing definitely works better with the hot wife. Cause that was one of the things I was thinking about is how do you make people who are looking at the photograph, realize it's about that particular fetish. 

All right. So other types of other types of video at this point in time, we might as well just keep going with the hotel. 

[00:41:55] Fervid Faye: Sorry, I only got your  

[00:41:56] Matthew Holliday: No, no, this is good though. Cause this means it was kind of successful or the reason that I had six, I do the same thing with questions. I'll compile like 40 questions just in case, you know? Cause the last thing I want is for us to just go through one and be like, yep, Nope, that's bad. I was sad. The end. 

Like it's just man. 

All right. 

Yeah, we're hotel things. I mean, the video thing just applies to pretty much everything we were talking about before. Just more so if, if anything, video is almost easier because you have more time to set up the context and the story, whereas on a photograph, you only get kind of like that one photograph to tell the whole story or imply the all stores or it's suppose story. 

[00:42:46] Fervid Faye: Good photographer.  

[00:42:48] Matthew Holliday: Now I'm not, I'm not saying they can't, I'm just saying, I feel like it's a little bit. 

[00:42:52] Fervid Faye: You also should do people, you have to find a place for, you can actually get under the Bush.  

[00:42:58] Matthew Holliday: Oh, yeah. The hiding thing. The, uh, especially if you can get, Hm. Hey shoot. So we'll shoot one person under the bed and one person, one or two people on top of the bed. I feel like a lot of photographers don't hire multiple models cause it's expensive. 

[00:43:13] Fervid Faye: So. In my personal experience, a lot of my erotica shoes have been trade. So like usually the photographer will cover the cost of the room and then myself and the other model will bring all the props and bring all of the outfits and all of that. And we just do a trade.  

[00:43:39] Matthew Holliday: For only.  

[00:43:40] Fervid Faye: yeah. Usually.  

[00:43:42] Matthew Holliday: Gotcha. All right, well, let's bounce over and do one more. Uh, now that I'm not long, not on the correct page anymore, let's do a fetish trope. So one of the really common fetish tropes that I don't see many. Shall we say fine art photographers doing is the damsel in distress trope. I see a lot of, kind of guys with camera and guys that are taking pictures for, you know, their own personal enjoy. 

And man, shall we say, they'll like tie somebody up and they'll throw them on a train track, or they'll leave them, you know, on the floor, in the living room or something like that. Have you ever done a show? 

[00:44:28] Fervid Faye: Right. I have not. Um, I actually find it really hard to find fetish photographers. Um, so, or, or wait, maybe I should rephrase that. I have a really hard time finding safe professional photographers. That's. Big thing in the community, because a fetish photographer will be like, Hey baby, you want to shoot with me? 

And I'm like, no, I don't. Don't call late. And it's not even a don't call me XYZ kind of thing. It's if you're approaching me for a professional endeavor, then you need to be professional about it. And that is photographers. Don't really seem to have that limit.  

[00:45:18] Matthew Holliday: Yeah, so you've got, so basically in order to shoot a specific type of fetish work, you have to find a photographer who's willing to shoot it. You also have to find a photographer who is also an actual professional, or at least a skilled hobbyist photographer. And then they also have to have safety on mind, as opposed to just, how do I get this hot girl naked and tied up  

[00:45:40] Fervid Faye: Yup.  

[00:45:40] Matthew Holliday: and  

[00:45:42] Fervid Faye: Yup.  

[00:45:43] Matthew Holliday: stuff? 

[00:45:47] Fervid Faye: it's a, it's a difficult trope to perpetuate because how do you differentiate between when the model is faking or pretending acting that they feel unsafe versus when they actually are unsafe?  

[00:46:05] Matthew Holliday: Ooh. Hmm 

[00:46:07] Fervid Faye: Because I think I would, there are only two photographers out of the, like 50 that I know that I would be a hundred percent.  

[00:46:18] Matthew Holliday: yeah,  

[00:46:19] Fervid Faye: That's it.  

[00:46:20] Matthew Holliday: yeah. That's fair. Um, Hmm. But I could see how to make it more interesting. I'm thinking apply some body scape angles, like super close ups. Uh, although now you're getting kind of ends of what felt most fetish rope work photography ends up being, it ends up being like super close ups of like arms. And I really is really is. 

I mean, I could see, I could see an interesting photograph being like a woman who's guy. Whereas she's got, it's like, she's got like the gag around and she's on the ground. And the frame is like half of her head, like, like this much. And like with a tear dripping down, maybe, I mean, that'd be dark, but, Hmm. 

Yeah. How do you differentiate damsel in distress from just bondage photography? 

[00:47:19] Fervid Faye: 'cause I mean, at that point, you really just need a scene. You need a good scene set up, like in a bar where you've got a whole bunch of fricking tools  

[00:47:30] Matthew Holliday: Yeah.  

[00:47:31] Fervid Faye: when She's like hanging  

[00:47:33] Matthew Holliday: like, yeah. She's yeah. She's tied to like a rafter or something. Yeah, that's good. I mean, but that's the problem that a lot of photographers have is they don't have a great selection of scene. Like cause most photographer let most amateur.  

[00:47:48] Fervid Faye: Yeah.  

[00:47:48] Matthew Holliday: rephrase most amateur photographers. 

Most hobbyist photographers are kind of stuck with their home or whatever they can find on Airbnb. 

[00:48:00] Fervid Faye: Well, see, that's the great thing about BNB. So at this point though now is there's like a whole subset that you can go to called, like kink me and B.  

[00:48:10] Matthew Holliday: Ah,  

[00:48:11] Fervid Faye: They actually just got shut down, but there are a couple of. One off. So if you go to the kink BNB website, I think usually offer up a few other websites that are akin to that.  

[00:48:27] Matthew Holliday: oh my God. 

[00:48:28] Fervid Faye: And then you can just go rent, Dungeons, literal dungeon.  

[00:48:34] Matthew Holliday: No, that's really cool. Um, I've actually follow a Twitter that had something like this, but it was over in Europe and I was like, oh man, this is cool, but it's over there.  

[00:48:45] Fervid Faye: You just gotta know where to  

[00:48:46] Matthew Holliday: interesting. Yeah, it's true. There's so much, so much true. Yeah. There are a lot of cool Airbnbs. Um, I saw there was like a Hobbit hole one down in, uh, Hm there's like one belt belt, like a Hobbit hole from Hobbiton from Lord of the rings. 

That's down south of here, like a couple of hours. So I think they'd be mad if you shot erotica there though, like COVID themes or erotic. 

[00:49:11] Fervid Faye: I mean,  

[00:49:14] Matthew Holliday: Where do we w we'd have to go find somewhere to get the hair on your feet and hairy toes, 

[00:49:22] Fervid Faye: personally, I do a lot of makeups, so I can just do it myself, spirit gum, and  

[00:49:26] Matthew Holliday: spirit gum, and some hair. Yeah. 

[00:49:27] Fervid Faye: Yeah. 

that is the thing that I have run into. Being an issue where you rent out an Airbnb. I usually am like a very upfront person and I'm like, I want to use it for a photo shoot and they'll be like, no.  

[00:49:45] Matthew Holliday: I've, I've heard that, that a lot of them have commercial where yeah, if you want to do a photo shoot there, you have to pay thousands of dollars. But for only fans or something like that, I don't know that they're necessarily thinking like this is not being put up on YouTube for 5 million views may be great. 

If you got 5 million views, I wish you did. Actually. I don't know. Maybe you do get 5 million views. No.  

[00:50:12] Fervid Faye: should get on  

[00:50:12] Matthew Holliday: see. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. I don't know. That's definitely been a discussion before because Airbnb does have some really cool stuff, but yeah. I mean, I know you can't bring in a crew cause that's really obvious. 

You have to kind of go in and do a gorilla shoot if you want to do that. Hmm. 

All right. So back to. Back to a damsel in distress. So damsel in distress, a setting is big, putting them somewhere where it would be realistic for a damsel to be kept like a barn. Uh, not like your living room. 

[00:50:51] Fervid Faye: Oh, there's actually this really great of Dannon place court, Richie, have you ever been there? It's a Maryland. So you're allowed to go there and shoot, and like the people there are super chill. You could do abandoned stuff that was. Be great for damsel in distress because they have a bunch of like old barracks that you can go into. 

They have like, um, engineering buildings that are old and you can get into basically, if you don't have to break the door. So in you're allowed to go in them  

[00:51:32] Matthew Holliday: that's really cool.  

[00:51:33] Fervid Faye: is really cool.  

[00:51:35] Matthew Holliday: Yeah. John Crampa tick Crampa, which became the owner of Fort Ritchie and August on April 7th, 2021. So maybe that's not possible anymore. 

[00:51:47] Fervid Faye: Uh, 2021?  

[00:51:49] Matthew Holliday: And just like two months ago.  

[00:51:51] Fervid Faye: Um, no, no.  

[00:51:54] Matthew Holliday: sold it for $2 million. He's going to build it into a mixed use development. That's just what we need is more houses in big box stores. 

[00:52:06] Fervid Faye: To be fair. There is nothing in that area, but I popped on that bums me out. 

[00:52:15] Matthew Holliday: I mean, I'm sure there's other abandoned places. I've just got a, what is that? There's  

[00:52:19] Fervid Faye: if they're going to be bad clothes, you know?  

[00:52:23] Matthew Holliday: Oh, that's oh, that's just north of camp, David. It's funny. Huh? Yeah, maybe I got try it before they lock it up and close everything. 

[00:52:33] Fervid Faye: Yeah, I hope that bums me out. I'm sad now.  

[00:52:37] Matthew Holliday: I'm sorry to be the bearer of sad news. Ah, just rain on your parade. Uh, 

so Fe where can everyone find you online? 

[00:52:54] Fervid Faye: You can find me on Instagram. I'm also on. Twitter,  

[00:53:01] Matthew Holliday: Are you at forbid Fe on both?  

[00:53:04] Fervid Faye: So the Twitter is at ravish Raven.  

[00:53:08] Matthew Holliday: I don't know that used to be your model. Bam handle. 

[00:53:11] Fervid Faye: Yep. It used to be my handle for everything. And when I had to rebrand,  

[00:53:16] Matthew Holliday: Oh, Instagram. Kill your account. 

[00:53:19] Fervid Faye: no, I had a vicious ditch. Try and kill my. Yeah. She went around recording everything and she made my life a living hell for months for no reason.  

[00:53:35] Matthew Holliday: Ooh. 

[00:53:36] Fervid Faye: So I rebranded. So she couldn't find me  

[00:53:39] Matthew Holliday: Would you want photographers to reach out to you via fat life or would you prefer they stick to kind of the people listening to the podcast, stick to Twitter and Instagram. 

[00:53:48] Fervid Faye: anywhere. Honestly, I'm always on. Checking out my handles. So, um, Instagram is the fastest way. You don't get a response and then FetLife and then Twitter.  

[00:54:02] Matthew Holliday: Do you have any ongoing products, projects you'd like to mention?  

[00:54:05] Fervid Faye: No, not yet. I don't start shooting until the third.  

[00:54:11] Matthew Holliday: Do you have specific things you'd like to do once you get started shooting? Yeah. You mentioned the hotel room, but I have claim on that. Just getting somebody else wants to do it. You can do it with them. 

[00:54:23] Fervid Faye: Hey, I have a lot. Well, let's see. You can have the erotic hotel shoot and then another person is going to get the Demonic. hotel shoot. 

[00:54:35] Matthew Holliday: Demonic. What is that? 

[00:54:37] Fervid Faye: Um, a lot of, a lot of creepiness, um, um, black blood in the bath. Coming out of candles everywhere, blood everywhere.  

[00:54:51] Matthew Holliday: You know, I just realized there's not nearly enough witchy erotica. I'm thinking like pentagrams on the four and like candles and I mean, cause don't, don't most, isn't the isn't, isn't the which, which ritual stuff done supposed to be in the nude.  

[00:55:08] Fervid Faye: Yes.  

[00:55:09] Matthew Holliday: Well, there we  

[00:55:10] Fervid Faye: know, when I would say why it's not a thing right now, It is because we live in the year 20, 20, and everybody gets butt hurt about everything. So, because WCA is an actual religion, I feel like you might get your ass chewed out. If you go. 

in, do a shoot capitalizing off of somebody's religion. So people just don't do it.  

[00:55:34] Matthew Holliday: And with that we are done. I now have a YouTube channel. It's actually kind of boring right now. It's just the audio as a pie cast, but I'm hoping to start recording video with these interviews. Sometime soon, first I needed to make a cooler looking studio on my house or find somewhere cooler to record. 

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